United Health Group CEO murdered in apparent targeted attack in NYC

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willythemailboy posted...
Some people just want that vigilante justice.
I was being sarcastic. That wouldn't have done anything.

Can't be sarcastic through text very easily.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5C_Wrt6pNSw
why do people keep trying to argue that it was a "professional hit"

a professional isn't going to just do it in broad daylight lmao
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ConfusedTorchic posted...
why do people keep trying to argue that it was a "professional hit"

a professional isn't going to just do it in broad daylight lmao
Well clearly he's getting away with it still, so I'd say that's something. If it was some random schitzo/idiot, they would definitely be caught by now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5C_Wrt6pNSw
VioletZer0 posted...
Would have lost because what United Healthcare was doing wasn't illegal.
UHC does illegal things all the time, it's a core part of their business model. They make more profit off spurious claim denials than they lose in court cases, so it's a net gain.
And with that... pow! I'm gone!
Yellow posted...
Well clearly he's getting away with it still, so I'd say that's something. If it was some random schitzo/idiot, they would definitely be caught by now.

all that proves is that they aren't an idiot

i get that that's unusual given recent events, but in the grand scheme of murders, it's really not. look at how many serial killers got away with their actions for so long. look at how many unsolved murders there are.
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willythemailboy posted...
She seems to disagree with you on that point.
So I noticed. lol.

The left and the right are so busy screaming at each other, they cant even see theyre running formations from the same playbook.
ConfusedTorchic posted...
why do people keep trying to argue that it was a "professional hit"

a professional isn't going to just do it in broad daylight lmao
Access. Knowing where and when to find the target is half the job, especially since he caught the target without any sort of security. While the tradecraft he showed seems to be the sort of thing you can find in a book or movie, he does seem to have pulled it off reasonably well.

ConfusedTorchic posted...
i get that that's unusual given recent events, but in the grand scheme of murders, it's really not. look at how many serial killers got away with their actions for so long. look at how many unsolved murders there are.
Most murders don't get the resources devoted to tracking the killer as this incident, nor do they have as much evidence or as many witness/video recordings as this one. You can reasonably say that it's because the victim was a billionaire but a city councilman or similar level person would get the same treatment if the assassination was carried out as brazenly and publicly.

I'm not speculating on the actual reason behind the shooting, just that the shooter seems to have had their act together more than your typical revenge killer. Revenge is the most likely motive, but I don't think it's likely that the shooter is the one that had the revenge motive himself.
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That's really not that difficult to figure out if you stalk someone enough.
funkyfritter posted...
UHC does illegal things all the time, it's a core part of their business model. They make more profit off spurious claim denials than they lose in court cases, so it's a net gain.

Yep. More than that, they can afford lawyers that are good enough to drag out a court case even if they have done something illegal. Given that the people trying to sue them are often going through some of the worst stress of their lives (if not actively dying) and have often gone into significant debt paying for the care that wasn't covered, they often just don't have the time, mental energy, or financial resources to maintain a protracted lawsuit, so they end up dropping it without justice. They bank on people giving up fighting against them, and that's a large chunk of their obscene profits.
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just happy to see society collapsing in a good direction for once tbh
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willythemailboy posted...
Because misdirection and false flags have never existed. You're too emotionally invested in being right here to see any other alternative.

Revenge does seem to be the most likely explanation if only due to the size of the suspect pool, but most people in that position don't seem to be the type to be able to afford what sounds like a professional hit. Maybe he pissed off a real life Jason Bourne or something.
tell us about false flags for fun I'm intrigued
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willythemailboy posted...
Knowing where and when to find the target is half the job
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damn I can't believe someone is outside their workplace at 8:55am how the hell did someone figure that one out
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Jen got suspended.
II took a loot at my insurance card. Turns out I have United healthcare/with Medicarerx. Not sure how my family got me on that but Im not going to ask questions. My meds are free through them so thats good.

Then I saw this: Copay: PCP $15, specs $20, ER $65 (Luckily Ive never had to go)

I still think this was an inside job. How did the shooter know the guy was going to be there? No way he was just lucky
Mystery_man2 posted...
II took a loot at my insurance card. Turns out I have United healthcare/with Medicarerx. Not sure how my family got me on that but Im not going to ask questions. My meds are free through them so thats good.

Then I saw this: Copay: PCP $15, specs $20, ER $65 (Luckily Ive never had to go)

I still think this was an inside job. How did the shooter know the guy was going to be there? No way he was just lucky
it blows my mind that people are dumb enough to think that an inside job is more likely than somebody ascertaining someone's location
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Especially in a world dominated by all forms of social media. It wouldn't surprise me if the guy tweeted that he was going to an investor conference there on that day.
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people were able to track people in the 60s lmfao they can do it now
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XenobladeX posted...
Jen got suspended.
rip

Yeah there's not a whole lot to say about it for me either here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5C_Wrt6pNSw
XenobladeX posted...
Jen got suspended.

Think shell cry about it in AskTheMods like you do?
Lmao, what'd she say?
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Cacciato posted...
Think shell cry about it in AskTheMods like you do?
Dont worry little bro, shell be back soon. Just try to be brave until then. :)
Long-winded way of saying no, big guy.
dragon504 posted...
Lmao, what'd she say?

Probably any of the things that amount to "what a great guy this murderer is." I can believe that she crossed into being a little bit too pro-murder in this case, and the mods are already more than a little on edge around this one because of how widely people have been celebrating it.
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she said sometimes violence can solve things and used the french revolution as an example
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Cacciato posted...
Long-winded way of saying no, big guy.
Well when Jen gets back, Im sure youll be hearing plenty of nos.
dragon504 posted...
Lmao, what'd she say?
Post 91. Watch me get suspended for it as well.
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I take the position that I cannot condone murder in the streets but at the same time given the state of ever increasing income inequality I also will not be compelled to shed any tears over this.

I also, while not explicitly hoping for it, do not expect it will be the last such incident in the near future.
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willythemailboy posted...
Revenge does seem to be the most likely explanation if only due to the size of the suspect pool, but most people in that position don't seem to be the type to be able to afford what sounds like a professional hit. Maybe he pissed off a real life Jason Bourne or something.

Know a lot of professional murders to know the difference between the two?
Cacciato posted...
Think shell cry about it in AskTheMods like you do?
lmao
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coyot posted...
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/6/68232e8c.jpg

Would a corporate hitman shitpost this hard? Who knows.

This dude is a legend though
coyot posted...
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/6/68232e8c.jpg
I still say he looks like hes wearing a Guy Fawks mask in the left pic.
XenobladeX posted...
I still say he looks like hes wearing a Guy Fawks mask in the left pic.

He's wearing some sort of mask, his facial features resemble the Joker
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I know the system has not worked mostly due to moral hazard. It includes those that were putting serious damage to their body voluntarily because they know insurance will try to cover them that started the skyrocketing prices, not just if there are many sick with preexisting conditions, they won't have to pay more in premiums but the healthier population will have to pay for the sick. Which is fine, but it's the reason why insurance companies like UHC were denying some expensive claims because they couldn't attract enough of the healthier population into the insurance pool. At the end of the day, you have to ask yourself, despite CEOs having a salary, is it the system that premeditated the murders or the CEO making money off the sick that premeditated murders and is premeditated murders right for whatever reason in the end?
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Econometrician posted...
I know the system has not worked mostly due to moral hazard. It includes those that were putting serious damage to their body voluntarily because they know insurance will try to cover them that started the skyrocketing prices, not just if there are many sick with preexisting conditions, they won't have to pay more in premiums but the healthier population will have to pay for the sick. Which is fine, but it's the reason why insurance companies like UHC were denying some expensive claims because they couldn't attract enough of the healthier population into the insurance pool. At the end of the day, you have to ask yourself, despite CEOs having a salary, is it the system that premeditated the murders or the CEO making money off the sick that premeditated murders and is premeditated murders right for whatever reason in the end?

Bootlicker.
lol that was pretty ridiculous
Econometrician posted...
the reason why insurance companies like UHC were denying some expensive claims because they couldn't attract enough of the healthier population into the insurance pool.

UHC made $22,000,000,000 in profits last year. Not revenue, profits. They were not some poor, struggling mom & pop business unable to make ends meet because a few customers took too much advantage of them. They were denying every claim they could get away with denying because they knew they had a captive customer base (what are people going to do, not have insurance? Switching providers isn't an option for most people) and they like watching numbers go up. The meeting Thompson was on his way to was one where he and major investors were going to gush over how well their numbers had been going up and how much more they were expected to go up in the near future.

Do they, as a business, need to make some money? Absolutely. Do they need to make enough money that they could slash their claim denial rate in half and still be comfortably wealthy? Absolutely not. If you expect people to feel bad for a health insurance company - let alone the health insurance company with the worst claim denial rate in the country - you're going to be disappointed.

willythemailboy posted...
what sounds like a professional hit.

I've seen a couple comments from people that are more familiar with guns on the fact that his gun kept jamming that said that's a common problem using regular handgun ammo in a suppressed pistol, since there isn't enough pressure to keep things moving smoothly with the extra barrel length and backpressure. That alone tells me it probably wasn't a professional hit, since I would expect a professional to know more about choosing compatible equipment than that.
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Econometrician posted...
I know the system has not worked mostly due to moral hazard. It includes those that were putting serious damage to their body voluntarily because they know insurance will try to cover them that started the skyrocketing prices, not just if there are many sick with preexisting conditions, they won't have to pay more in premiums but the healthier population will have to pay for the sick. Which is fine, but it's the reason why insurance companies like UHC were denying some expensive claims because they couldn't attract enough of the healthier population into the insurance pool. At the end of the day, you have to ask yourself, despite CEOs having a salary, is it the system that premeditated the murders or the CEO making money off the sick that premeditated murders and is premeditated murders right for whatever reason in the end?

Health care and people's lives should not be a for profit business.

Stop trying to defend systems that actively kill people for money.
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Nade_Duck posted...
just happy to see society collapsing in a good direction for once tbh
I wouldn't be so quick. We just elected a laughable corrupt billionaire and his gang of billionaire buddies to president.
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adjl posted...
UHC made $22,000,000,000 in profits last year. Not revenue, profits.
On $281 billion in revenue. A 7.8% profit is large but not smaller than many other industries.

adjl posted...
Do they, as a business, need to make some money? Absolutely. Do they need to make enough money that they could slash their claim denial rate in half and still be comfortably wealthy? Absolutely not.
While I can't find absolute dollar values for claims UHC denied last year, given their denial rate it's mathematically impossible for half that number to be lower than their profit for the year. So while what you posted may feel true to you, it is in fact absolutely false.

adjl posted...
I've seen a couple comments from people that are more familiar with guns on the fact that his gun kept jamming that said that's a common problem using regular handgun ammo in a suppressed pistol, since there isn't enough pressure to keep things moving smoothly with the extra barrel length and backpressure. That alone tells me it probably wasn't a professional hit, since I would expect a professional to know more about choosing compatible equipment than that.
Then the "people more familiar with guns" are lying to you, because silencers increase back pressure rather than reduce it. Malfunctions due to insufficient back pressure is a problem when firing blanks, which is clearly not what happened in this incident.
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willythemailboy posted...
On $281 billion in revenue. A 7.8% profit is large but not smaller than many other industries.

And every cent of that profit is health care they could otherwise have provided. There is a clear cost in human lives associated with that profit margin, whether it's larger than others or not. It's also still $22 billion. Whether that's a 100% margin or a 0.1% margin, that's still a ton of spare money and suggesting that they're a poor, struggling business that's getting screwed over by greedy customers is obviously nonsense.

willythemailboy posted...
While I can't find absolute dollar values for claims UHC denied last year, given their denial rate it's mathematically impossible for half that number to be lower than their profit for the year. So while what you posted may feel true to you, it is in fact absolutely false.

Are you suggesting that what I said should be treated as somewhat hyperbolic and not taken as a literal mathematical statement? What a shock!

That said, they *do* have literally double the national average for denials, so there's at least some truth to saying that it's possible to run a sustainable business with half that denial rate.

willythemailboy posted...
Then the "people more familiar with guns" are lying to you, because silencers increase back pressure rather than reduce it. Malfunctions due to insufficient back pressure is a problem when firing blanks, which is clearly not what happened in this incident.

I said silencers increase back pressure, and that that was why it jammed (because the rounds used didn't have enough pressure to overcome that).
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FBI just upped the bounty to 50,000$.

HAHAHAHA

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I'm just saying, if you or any of your family members were shot and killed with the killer on the run, they wouldn't offer 50k.

Such preferential treatment for our wealthy class.
willythemailboy posted...
On $281 billion in revenue. A 7.8% profit is large but not smaller than many other industries.

While I can't find absolute dollar values for claims UHC denied last year, given their denial rate it's mathematically impossible for half that number to be lower than their profit for the year. So while what you posted may feel true to you, it is in fact absolutely false.

Then the "people more familiar with guns" are lying to you, because silencers increase back pressure rather than reduce it. Malfunctions due to insufficient back pressure is a problem when firing blanks, which is clearly not what happened in this incident.

How does that butthole taste?
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Econometrician posted...
Which is fine, but it's the reason why insurance companies like UHC were denying some expensive claims because they couldn't attract enough of the healthier population into the insurance pool.

Please explain how a system requiring "attracting" healthy people to spend absurd amounts of money on something they don't need in order to provide any coverage at all to everyone else is in any way sensible.
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For that matter, "they had to deny claims because they need to attract more healthy customers into the pool" is profoundly flawed logic. If you need more customers, you don't attract them by abandoning your existing customers to die.
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adjl posted...
For that matter, "they had to deny claims because they need to attract more healthy customers into the pool" is profoundly flawed logic. If you need more customers, you don't attract them by abandoning your existing customers to die.
Perfectly explaining why this system is broken.
VioletZer0 posted...
I'm just saying, if you or any of your family members were shot and killed with the killer on the run, they wouldn't offer 50k.
I mean, $50k is still small, especially for this type of assassination. And considering the guy is being celebrated as essentially Robin Hood, that's not near big enough for someone to care.

Also, not sure why everyone is posting those images. It can't be the guy in the picture, it's not even the same jacket. The jacket he is wearing when he shoots doesn't even have breastpockets.
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VioletZer0 posted...
FBI just upped the bounty to 50,000$.

HAHAHAHA

Legendary

I'm just saying, if you or any of your family members were shot and killed with the killer on the run, they wouldn't offer 50k.

Such preferential treatment for our wealthy class.
Illinois just paid off one $25k reward and there's another $25k active. Neither victim was a billionaire. True that's only $50k between the two, but it's not the typical crimestoppers level of reward either.

Preemptive edit: there's a $50k reward out for information regarding the murder of Tyler Dickson in California. Such rewards are not unprecedented by any means.
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