borderlands 4 is gonna suck

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ConfusedTorchic
11/26/2024
06:14 PM
#1
i bet it'll just be a kart racer
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shadowsword87
11/26/2024
06:18 PM
#2
That sounds awesome.
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josh
11/26/2024
06:34 PM
#3
I hope they learned their lesson from BL3 and stop throwing out legendaries every 3 enemies.

Bring back UVHM !
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dragon504
11/26/2024
06:47 PM
#4
josh posted...
I hope they learned their lesson from BL3 and stop throwing out legendaries every 3 enemies.

Bring back UVHM !

2 had abysmal drop rates. I don't remember much from 3, so I can't remember how the drop rates were, but maybe they overcompensated.
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funkyfritter
11/26/2024
06:50 PM
#5
I'm replaying 3 right now and it has not aged well. They'd have to make some pretty big changes to the loot and quest systems to make me excited for a sequel.
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ConfusedTorchic
11/26/2024
06:54 PM
#6
i think borderlands 3 aged fine
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ParanoidObsessive
11/26/2024
07:35 PM
#7
ConfusedTorchic posted...
i bet it'll just be a kart racer

That would probably be better than what we got with BL3.
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VioletZer0
11/26/2024
08:29 PM
#8
Borderlands kart racer might be fine actually.
Lokarin
11/26/2024
08:52 PM
#9
I think Borderlands 1 had the best itemization... yes, the legendaries were cool, but sometimes a highly tuned rifle is legitimately the best option
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VioletZer0
11/27/2024
12:53 AM
#10
I legitimately think Borderlands needs a reboot and reimagining because the universe is tonally inconsistent by design, and Randy Pitchford himself agrees with this.

The class design is not good in a majority of cases. Like class abilities such as turrets or Brick's berserking are going to be useless by the end of the game because your gear scales way far ahead of any standalone ability. So you specifically only choose a class and talent that scales with gear.

This was actually well understood and funny going into the Borderlands 2 pre-release because everyone took one look at the class design and talent trees and immediately figured out that Salvadore was far ahead of everyone else because his abilities focus way more on guns. They were 100% right.
adjl
11/27/2024
09:18 AM
#11
That doesn't even need a massive reimagining. It just means ability damage needs to scale with your weapons.
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Salrite
11/27/2024
12:32 PM
#12
VioletZer0 posted...
I legitimately think Borderlands needs a reboot and reimagining because the universe is tonally inconsistent by design, and Randy Pitchford himself agrees with this.

The class design is not good in a majority of cases. Like class abilities such as turrets or Brick's berserking are going to be useless by the end of the game because your gear scales way far ahead of any standalone ability. So you specifically only choose a class and talent that scales with gear.

This was actually well understood and funny going into the Borderlands 2 pre-release because everyone took one look at the class design and talent trees and immediately figured out that Salvadore was far ahead of everyone else because his abilities focus way more on guns. They were 100% right.
I never really thought of the abilities in the sense of how much damage they can output. I always play as Siren anyways and just get what I get. But being able to completely immobilize a tough enemy is all about the utility that it provides during combat. Just having "More Gun" never interested me.
adjl
11/27/2024
12:52 PM
#13
That's kind of the problem: Abilities that are just "more gun" are boring. Abilities that do damage in interesting ways (like Krieg's fireballs and explosions, or anything melee-based) are fun, but fall behind because their damage doesn't scale the way that weapons (and enemy health) do. That really just leaves utility skills being useful, but there are only so many ideas for utility skills, and you can't really build a whole talent tree around that.

Now, saying this, I did like all of the classes conceptually in 1 and especially 2 (I drifted away from PS having only tried Athena and Claptrap and not getting far enough into TVHM to experience full builds, and I haven't played 3 yet). There were some neat ideas that I would have liked to dig further into, but I'm also not going to pretend that Gunzerking with Rubi+DPUH wasn't significantly stronger than anything else available, and scaling issues mean a lot of builds really struggled to be viable enough to be enjoyable (especially into OP levels). Some scaling adjustments would go a long way to improving the build variety.
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Olld-Onne
11/27/2024
02:27 PM
#14
Don't pick a siren in Borderlands cart racer. They are known to die before getting to the line.
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VioletZer0
11/27/2024
03:11 PM
#15
Salrite posted...
I never really thought of the abilities in the sense of how much damage they can output. I always play as Siren anyways and just get what I get. But being able to completely immobilize a tough enemy is all about the utility that it provides during combat. Just having "More Gun" never interested me.

Control and utility effects do scale which is why lilith's control tree scales.
Lokarin
11/27/2024
06:25 PM
#16
And Maya was good cuz you can add mass slag without having to sacrifice a weapon slot for it
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dragon504
11/27/2024
07:20 PM
#17
slag was a horrible mechanic
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Nade_Duck
11/27/2024
07:48 PM
#18
i haven't played any since the first one and honestly don't feel like i've missed out on much.
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Salrite
11/27/2024
07:54 PM
#19
dragon504 posted...
slag was a horrible mechanic
slag was just a defense debuff, right? I generally don't care for applying debuffs to enemies when I can just shoot them in the face more.
VioletZer0
11/27/2024
08:00 PM
#20
Slag damage applied a debuff that amplified the damage you deal with non-slag weapons.

So it encouraged you to combo between slag and non-slag damage.
adjl
11/27/2024
08:18 PM
#21
Salrite posted...
slag was just a defense debuff, right? I generally don't care for applying debuffs to enemies when I can just shoot them in the face more.

It tripled the damage they take, iirc. Slagging was virtually mandatory when you started dealing with the higher difficulties and their massively inflated health pools, and that's just not great design. Fortunately, some of the classes had options for applying it without having to switch weapons, like Axel's turret, Maya's ability, and using a slag weapon in one hand while Gunzerking (bonus points if it's Rubi and you get slag *and* 15% lifesteal on the other one). Unfortunately, that wasn't true for everyone.
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dragon504
11/27/2024
08:32 PM
#22
adjl posted...
Slagging was virtually mandatory

Yep, and that's why it was horrible. Non slagged enemies were ridiculous bullet sponges.
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Zareth
11/27/2024
08:33 PM
#23
Always has, always will
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adjl
11/27/2024
10:04 PM
#24
dragon504 posted...
Yep, and that's why it was horrible. Non slagged enemies were ridiculous bullet sponges.

You could conceivably say the same thing about armour, shields, and flesh having different elemental weaknesses, since you slow yourself down considerably if you ignore those, but that's at least dynamic. Having to swap weapons to adjust to what you're fighting is an interesting mechanic (it does kind of end up punishing builds that focus primarily on one element, but that's in exchange for eviscerating the enemies that element is strong against, so that balances it), since it requires you to react to the situation. Having every single enemy take 3 times longer to kill if you don't slag it is exactly the same challenge in every situation, which means it's just tedious to deal with.
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CyborgSage00x0
11/28/2024
02:40 AM
#25
Yeah, tweaking action skill damage would have gone a long way in B2. Looking at you, Zer0, whose melee damage was awful unless you did a complete build around it.

They at least buffed a lot of bad ones in B3, like Zanes. But agreed, Slag was boring.
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adjl
11/28/2024
09:51 AM
#26
And even if you did a whole Zer0 build around melee damage, it hinged on doing enough melee damage to one-shot everything you attacked, which meant it fell off hard when you got into UVHM and OP levels and enemy health started scaling past what the very limited melee scaling options could handle. That there was nowhere to go with it once you got a +150% Melee Damage weapon was restrictive to every melee build.
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