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Which side of the Transformers you prefer?

I always liked the Decepticons more.
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The Decepticons usually have the cooler stuff.
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will alway go with the Decepticons!!
we are who we are. who we meet in life, adds to the journey
Pikazard1 posted...
will alway go with the Decepticons!!
Galvatron or Megatron?
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Anyone read the Skybond comics?
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The Decepticons have both Soundwave and Shockwave. That's pretty much a win right there.

When I was a kid, I never cried when Optimus Prime died in Transformers: The Movie. But even today I always tear up a little bit at this part:

https://youtu.be/o9reZXDsxGw?t=14
https://youtu.be/o9reZXDsxGw?t=29
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ParanoidObsessive posted...
The Decepticons have both Soundwave and Shockwave. That's pretty much a win right there.

When I was a kid, I never cried when Optimus Prime died in Transformers: The Movie. But even today I always tear up a little bit at this part:

https://youtu.be/o9reZXDsxGw?t=14
https://youtu.be/o9reZXDsxGw?t=29

Starscream was a dick there. LOVE how Soundwave remained loyal and how Rumble carried his cannon and sat with it.

Did you know in the French Dub, Starscream was female?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mD-ZYAhtFr8

Sharpnel as well!

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OneEyedShinobi posted...
Starscream was a dick there.

Starscream was always a dick. It's what made him awesome.



OneEyedShinobi posted...
LOVE how Soundwave remained loyal and how Rumble carried his cannon and sat with it

Yeah, it was Rumble carrying the gun that always gave me the lump in my throat as a kid. It's like, SO LOYAL.

Of course, that's kind of ruined about 5 minutes later when they toss him out of Astrotrain, but ehh. That's evil for you!



OneEyedShinobi posted...
Did you know in the French Dub, Starscream was female?

Didn't know that, though I do know they eventually gave him a couple different female versions in future continuities, so maybe that was an influence on that.

https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Slipstream_(Animated)
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ParanoidObsessive posted...
Starscream was always a dick. It's what made him awesome.

Yeah, it was Rumble carrying the gun that always gave me the lump in my throat as a kid. It's like, SO LOYAL.

Of course, that's kind of ruined about 5 minutes later when they toss him out of Astrotrain, but ehh. That's evil for you!

Didn't know that, though I do know they eventually gave him a couple different female versions in future continuities, so maybe that was an influence on that.

https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Slipstream_(Animated)
That's what I always suspect. Starscream was a diva either way.

Best openings?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wi0Von5CzkQ

Season 1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kkupltzq5C4

Season 2

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2wl45PYWxI

Season 3
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OneEyedShinobi posted...
Best openings?

I always go by the music, and when I hear the music in my head I'm generally defaulting to season 1. So I should vote for that one. But the season 3 music is probably objectively better, in the sense that it sounds more professional (and is clearly inspired by the movie soundtrack).

(Though the song from the movie is obviously the best in its own way - the whole movie soundtrack was just fantastic. But it doesn't really fit as a TV theme, so I'd probably ignore it).

But just by the animation, I'd probably have to go with season 2 being the best one. It's kind of the core of what Transformers is in my head. Whereas season 3 feels a bit too heavily influenced by the movies (and even a bit more minimalist), while season 1 feels a bit too simplistic. Though season 1 does have all the really iconic early characters, whereas season 2 does focus on the toy line that was current when it came out (and season 3 goes way too hard on the movie characters).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TF463RT5tWc



Of course, after comparing those, now I kind of want to compare the GI Joe intros. Though there you really only have two plus the movie (because the DIC season doesn't count, and will never count). But they actually change their intros more than once a season.
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ParanoidObsessive posted...
I always go by the music, and when I hear the music in my head I'm generally defaulting to season 1. So I should vote for that one. But the season 3 music is probably objectively better, in the sense that it sounds more professional (and is clearly inspired by the movie soundtrack).

(Though the song from the movie is obviously the best in its own way - the whole movie soundtrack was just fantastic. But it doesn't really fit as a TV theme, so I'd probably ignore it).

But just by the animation, I'd probably have to go with season 2 being the best one. It's kind of the core of what Transformers is in my head. Whereas season 3 feels a bit too heavily influenced by the movies (and even a bit more minimalist), while season 1 feels a bit too simplistic. Though season 1 does have all the really iconic early characters, whereas season 2 does focus on the toy line that was current when it came out (and season 3 goes way too hard on the movie characters).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TF463RT5tWc

Of course, after comparing those, now I kind of want to compare the GI Joe intros. Though there you really only have two plus the movie (because the DIC season doesn't count, and will never count). But they actually change their intros more than once a season.
I been getting into GI Joe. It was way before my time and I had so much fun with the old show and the film. I watched the D.I.C series and it's awful. I been more of a fan of Cobra and The Dreadnoks. Been collecting the Classifed figures as well.

Maybe I will make a GI Joe thread later.
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OneEyedShinobi posted...
I been getting into GI Joe. It was way before my time and I had so much fun with the old show and the film. I watched the D.I.C series and it's awful. I been more of a fan of Cobra and The Dreadnoks. Been collecting the Classifed figures as well.

Watching GI Joe as an adult (I bought all the original episodes on DVD and then made my young nephew watch them when he was growing up) made me realize just how good the writing on it was.

Some 80s cartoons I loved as a kid definitely don't hold up in that respect (*cough*He-Man*cough*), but Transformers is actually pretty good, and GI Joe is fantastic for something that was ostensibly little more than a half-hour toy commercial.

I honestly still consider them both better than most cartoons coming out these days. But that's an entirely different discussion.

(Though the cartoons I'll always mourn are the DCAU of the 1990s/2000s. It's a shame that kids today will never have anything as good as BTAS or Justice League.)
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ParanoidObsessive posted...
Watching GI Joe as an adult (I bought all the original episodes on DVD and then made my young nephew watch them when he was growing up) made me realize just how good the writing on it was.
There were some pretty dark episodes. No Place like Springfield was pretty grim. Roadblock melting really haunts nme and I rarely show fear in media.

ParanoidObsessive posted...
Some 80s cartoons I loved as a kid definitely don't hold up in that respect (*cough*He-Man*cough*), but Transformers is actually pretty good, and GI Joe is fantastic for something that was ostensibly little more than a half-hour toy commercial.
Most of these I found via Tubi or Youtube which is free in my country. I was born in 2000, but I love old media. I do think GI Joe had the better show. I love Transformers for the lore and characters.
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decepticons are jets and tanks and guns, so they're cooler

autobots are gmc trucks and suzuki motorcycles, boring
see my gundams here
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updated 11/22/24; hg core gundam 2 titans (coreflyer)
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Minutus cantorum, minutus balorum,
Minutus carborata descendum pantorum.
Basic sized Transformers are 16.25 each now, I remember when they were 4.99
What would Bligh do?
captpackrat posted...
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/7/78b8fbd9.jpg

https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Transformers:_Kiss_Players_(franchise)
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ParanoidObsessive posted...
https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Transformers:_Kiss_Players_(franchise)
Oh non
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OneEyedShinobi posted...
Oh non

The best part is that one of the characters (Marissa Faireborn) is technically the daughter of Flint and Lady Jaye from GI Joe.
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In general the Decepticons are more fun to watch and often have cooler designs

Not in the Bay movies tho
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ParanoidObsessive posted...
The best part is that one of the characters (Marissa Faireborn) is technically the daughter of Flint and Lady Jaye from GI Joe.
I was surpised to hear that. Funny Lady Jaye is one of my favourite ladies, next to Zarana. (Which I named my kitten after.)

Metalsonic66 posted...
In general the Decepticons are more fun to watch and often have cooler designs

Not in the Bay movies tho
I liked the Unicron Trio; Galvatron, Cyclonus and Scourge.
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Metalsonic66 posted...
In general the Decepticons are more fun to watch and often have cooler designs

Not in the Bay movies tho

Nothing is cool or fun to watch in the Bay movies.
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ParanoidObsessive posted...
Nothing is cool or fun to watch in the Bay movies.
I only liked one character design and that was Hound.
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ParanoidObsessive posted...
The Decepticons have both Soundwave and Shockwave.

Everything past Starscream is just icing on the cake, tbh.

ParanoidObsessive posted...
Watching GI Joe as an adult (I bought all the original episodes on DVD and then made my young nephew watch them when he was growing up) made me realize just how good the writing on it was.

Some 80s cartoons I loved as a kid definitely don't hold up in that respect (*cough*He-Man*cough*), but Transformers is actually pretty good, and GI Joe is fantastic for something that was ostensibly little more than a half-hour toy commercial.

I honestly still consider them both better than most cartoons coming out these days. But that's an entirely different discussion.

As with G1 Transformers, He-Man is hit or miss. The vocal talents (or lack thereof) are more obvious with time, though. I'll mention there was a HUGE leap from the original MotU to New Adventures.

(Though the cartoons I'll always mourn are the DCAU of the 1990s/2000s. It's a shame that kids today will never have anything as good as BTAS or Justice League.)

They literally had Young Justice, which felt on par with other parts of the DCAU. (Although technically that show started in 2010 then start & stopped over the next 15 years.) Kinda not as sure about the currently-airing stuff. I know My Adventures with Superman is a thing, which looked interesting from the clips I saw. For non-DC, the X-Men 97 revival is still going, but I haven't watched that yet. And a few years ago, NF did a pretty amazing MotU reboot (not to be confused with whatever Kevin Smith was doing). Of course, as with most things on NF, they stopped after the third season. And, like most cartoons, it was probably impacted by poor toy sales... and, like YJ (which initially got cancelled due to low merch sales), the poor toy sales is more the toymakers' fault than the show's fault.

As for BTAS, it's aged unevenly. The awkward cuts, etc, are more obvious over time. Its one big advantage is that the adaptation was less kiddy than other recent takes. JLU holds up a lot better, partly for coming later and building off a lot of the lessons from BTAS and STAS. Actually, STAS *also* benefited from coming later and learning. STAS from start to finish feels a lot more consistent. Even taking the fact BTAS kinda changed as a whole between seasons, even the seasons sometimes felt uneven.

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Honestly looking at the command structure of the Decepticons, who in their right mind would join them?

Megatron being this strongman leader with a long history is the only thing keeping the decepticons together, they don't have a clear line of succession. Meanwhile on the autobots have a stable command structure with a clear line of succession.

Autobots are capable of working in a team and trusting each other meanwhile the only reason anyone does what they're told on the decepticon side is because Megatron kicks their ass if they don't.
VioletZer0 posted...
Honestly looking at the command structure of the Decepticons, who in their right mind would join them?

Megatron being this strongman leader with a long history is the only thing keeping the decepticons together, they don't have a clear line of succession. Meanwhile on the autobots have a stable command structure with a clear line of succession.

Autobots are capable of working in a team and trusting each other meanwhile the only reason anyone does what they're told on the decepticon side is because Megatron kicks their ass if they don't.
You could chill with Shockwave on Cybertron.
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OneEyedShinobi posted...
You could chill with Shockwave on Cybertron.
Boy could use the help. He's a guardian , of an entire planet. He's significantly understaffed.
VioletZer0 posted...
Honestly looking at the command structure of the Decepticons, who in their right mind would join them?

Megatron being this strongman leader with a long history is the only thing keeping the decepticons together, they don't have a clear line of succession. Meanwhile on the autobots have a stable command structure with a clear line of succession.

Autobots are capable of working in a team and trusting each other meanwhile the only reason anyone does what they're told on the decepticon side is because Megatron kicks their ass if they don't.

They're generally the winning side. Besides, you're more likely to get mercy from the good guys than the bad guys if you beg for your life after losing.

As for the line of succession, it's equally clear. Starscream is generally the second-in-command and takes over in Megatron's absence, or has those responsibilities split. Meanwhile, any time the Autobots need a new leader, it feels like they have to hunt for one. And that second doesn't seem very consistent within the franchise.
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VioletZer0 posted...
Meanwhile on the autobots have a stable command structure with a clear line of succession.

I'd argue there's no such thing.

At no point in the original cartoon is there ever an established second-in-command to Optimus. It isn't until he's literally dying and says "Okay, guy who we never saw before the movie, you're leader now" that leadership is passed. If Optimus dies without naming Ultra Magnus as his successor, there's no clear second to pick up the ball (or Matrix), and Ultra Magnus probably doesn't claim it for himself. It's possible they dump leadership on Kup simply because he's the oldest. If not, someone like Springer probably claims it by virtue of being the most proactive. Hot Rod only lucks into it via "destiny", which is kind of BS.

About the only thing you can say about the Autobots is that they're unlikely to fight over leadership. Generally the ones unqualified to lead generally won't attempt to claim it, or if they would (ie, someone like Grimlock), most of the others won't really follow them. So when someone relatively qualified takes the lead, the rest are likely to just fall in line. Whereas the Decepticons, who are very much a "survival of the fittest, the strongest should lead" mentality, wind up fighting to see who gets to lead after the current strongest falls. And the current leader (usually Megatron) always has to fend off the occasional attempt on his position (usually from Starscream).

Ironically, the Decepticons aren't necessarily bad for rank-and-file members who are just following orders and not jockeying to be leader. It's really only in the movie where anything bad happens to them for not being strong enough (ie, getting dumped out of a spaceship). And in that case it technically winds up being a huge plus for them anyway, since they all survive and wind up being even more powerful and now the direct lieutenants to the new(old) leader.

So basically, if you're a Decepticon, just do what your boss tells you and don't try and stab him in the back, and you'll probably be fine.

Granted, all of this only applies to G1, because G1 is the only continuity I actually care about. But still!
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ParanoidObsessive posted...
Granted, all of this only applies to G1, because G1 is the only continuity I actually care about. But still!
Only one I won't shut up about either lol.

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ConfusedTorchic posted...
decepticons are jets and tanks and guns, so they're cooler

autobots are gmc trucks and suzuki motorcycles, boring

Autobots have Dinobots and a Dinobird
?huh?........ it's just a box.
ultra_magnus13 posted...
Autobots have Dinobots and a Dinobird

I mean, you are kind of biased there dude.
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Dinobots best bots
friend find, look behind
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Ive been watching a lot of transformers episodes on Netflix lately. The music when Rodimus opens the matrix still gives me goosebumps.

Is there a way to watch the rest of season 4 after it ended in America after 4 episodes?
Occupy_This posted...
Ive been watching a lot of transformers episodes on Netflix lately. The music when Rodimus opens the matrix still gives me goosebumps.

Do you mean... THE TOUCH?!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ElU8efHVGk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGS1ETFT_1I

https://youtu.be/eYAAbbuEpnw?t=16



Occupy_This posted...
Is there a way to watch the rest of season 4 after it ended in America after 4 episodes?

YouTube, maybe? Bootleg DVDs?

I know a friend of mine watched Headmasters and Scramble City, but I don't remember how, and that was years ago. So no clue if whatever method he used is still an option.
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Occupy_This posted...
Ive been watching a lot of transformers episodes on Netflix lately. The music when Rodimus opens the matrix still gives me goosebumps.

Is there a way to watch the rest of season 4 after it ended in America after 4 episodes?
Headmasters

They are on YT. Headmasters is more childish. Lots of focus on Daniel and Wheelie. Cyclonus and Scourge are demoted to comic relife.
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neither, I like the free independents that can align with either depending on situation
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Newave posted...
neither, I like the free independents that can align with either depending on situation

Best characters ever:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-9gob3V9Ws
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Newave posted...
neither, I like the free independents that can align with either depending on situation

tbh, Starscream has now and again been independent (and, in TF Prime , he nearly joined the Autobots... but Arcee interfered with that, since he'd killed Cliffjumper (voiced by the Rock) at the start of the series -- which iirc was the ONLY Autobot they managed to kill during the show's run. In general, the Decepticons were far more effective under Starscream's leadership )

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I think it's an appropriate time to post this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6eXhXlb1Syw



Count_Drachma posted...
tbh, Starscream has now and again been independent

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hPCUj1a4yjw
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OneEyedShinobi posted...
Headmasters

They are on YT. Headmasters is more childish. Lots of focus on Daniel and Wheelie. Cyclonus and Scourge are demoted to comic relife.

Found it, thanks. English dub is terrible.
ParanoidObsessive posted...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hPCUj1a4yjw

tbh, wasn't one of his first lines in G1 "Things will be different when I'm in control?" His treachery was pretty open and played for laughs in the original.
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ParanoidObsessive posted...
Best characters ever:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-9gob3V9Ws
They sound more creepier in Japanese

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Occupy_This posted...
Found it, thanks. English dub is terrible.
It was done by a few people in Hong Kong.

Metroplex is called Phillip.

amd np
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...I apparently can't remember how to transform deluxe-class DOTM Starscream. Got it most of the way but tucking the nosecone isn't working right and I don't remember how the legs were usually posed.

It was one of the only toy designs I liked from the Bayformers franchise (despite hating how it looks in the movie... as with most of the movie designs), although the Starscream movie colorway looks like shit with the Cybertronian tattoos and cheap gray plastic. The mold works better with Thundercracker.

The leader-class (?) DOTM Starscream is nicer, but I've never been able to transform leader-class figures.
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