Should schools still teach cursive writing?

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OhhhJa posted...
I wasn't accusing YOU of advocating for public school. But, overall, people do seem to be very critical/judgmental of people choosing private/alternative schooling over public schools and I think it's because they went through the public school system and see it as some kind of insult to them or believe you think you're superior to them.

I see lots of people critiquing my choices, but I bet if I said I was sending my child to public school they'd be silent because it wouldn't trigger their inferiority complex

Do Montessori schools and other schooling options have their issues? Absolutely. I'd still 100% take it over public schools

Dont get me wrong, my kids will definitely go to a few paying school. However, theres a couple of factors that are important to consider. Firstly, I earn enough to send them to one. Secondly, I wont actually have to pay for it.

Theres nothing wrong with wanting your kids to have a better education that what state schools offer, but its important to remember that there are many people who simply dont have that option.

The only people who I believe have some sort of moral obligation to send their children to state schools are politicians. If they all had to send their kids to state schools, you can bet your arse theyd try harder to make the system work well.
Glob posted...
Dont get me wrong, my kids will definitely go to a few paying school. However, theres a couple of factors that are important to consider. Firstly, I earn enough to send them to one. Secondly, I wont actually have to pay for it.

Theres nothing wrong with wanting your kids to have a better education that what state schools offer, but its important to remember that there are many people who simply dont have that option.

The only people who I believe have some sort of moral obligation to send their children to state schools are politicians. If they all had to send their kids to state schools, you can bet your arse theyd try harder to make the system work well.
Well, I did say I feel for people who don't have other options. And I will say that not all public schools are created equal. But at the end of the day if you don't live in a really good area, it's probably a net negative. If me and my wife didn't both work, I'd even consider home schooling over public schooling
OhhhJa posted...
Well, I did say I feel for people who don't have other options. And I will say that not all public schools are created equal. But at the end of the day if you don't live in a really good area, it's probably a net negative. If me and my wife didn't both work, I'd even consider home schooling over public schooling

Home schooling is something that can work, in theory. Unfortunately, my experiences of it have often been that the parents who are least suitable for doing it are the ones who gravitate towards it most.
They should. Cursive is good for children's fine motor and art skills development. I still use cursive everyday.
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Glob posted...
Home schooling is something that can work, in theory. Unfortunately, my experiences of it have often been that the parents who are least suitable for doing it are the ones who gravitate towards it most.
With our current societal framework... yeah homeschooling is not for the uneducated or weak when it comes to preparing your child for a successful adult life. But we've also been conditioned to believe that it's necessary to hand our kids over to the state because it's "better for them" but it's really just state-run daycare while we work our 9-5s. And yes I also know most parents aren't equipped to teach their children calc 3, circuit analysis, or finance. That's where college comes into play imo. Students are forced to take basic math and english courses over again for credits when they go to university and have generally forgotten pretty much any of their more advanced math classes and the like when they get there and start those courses over again in college

Generally, public school education prior to university is drilling the same material over and over into students heads until they get to college when it actually matters and you can take more advanced courses. A semi-educated parent is just as capable of reading from a textbook and teaching basic english, math, and history to a child as some of the imbecilic, apathetic teachers I had. The idea that these public school teachers or even private school teachers are inherently better is absurd to me, but I did have a couple good teachers here and there
OhhhJa posted...
With our current societal framework... yeah homeschooling is not for the uneducated or weak when it comes to preparing your child for a successful adult life. But we've also been conditioned to believe that it's necessary to hand our kids over to the state because it's "better for them" but it's really just state-run daycare while we work our 9-5s. And yes I also know most parents aren't equipped to teach their children calc 3, circuit analysis, or finance. That's where college comes into play imo. Students are forced to take basic math and english courses over again for credits when they go to university and have generally forgotten pretty much any of their more advanced math classes and the like when they get there and start those courses over again in college

Generally, public school education prior to university is drilling the same material over and over into students heads until they get to college when it actually matters and you can take more advanced courses. A semi-educated parent is just as capable of reading from a textbook and teaching basic english, math, and history to a child as some of the imbecilic, apathetic teachers I had. The idea that these public school teachers or even private school teachers are inherently better is absurd to me, but I did have a couple good teachers here and there

A good teacher with proper qualifications, knowledge, skills and experience is going to be better than an amateur but, as I understand it, the US school system has many teachers who dont fit that description.

Your university set up is also very different, in that it makes people do basic classes again. In many countries, you only study the thing you actually went to university to study, or perhaps adjacent subjects. I did not have to redo basic maths or literacy getting any of my degrees.
I'm not sure, but I always hated it. I think we generally all use a sort of hybrid printing + cursive, which is actually what is the fastest, don't we? Actual "cursive" is so artificial. it seems more like one should learn printing and then some additional useful shortcuts, which is more what we really write like.

like if we write "ea", then ok yes, the 'e' flows into the 'a'*, that's natural and makes sense. but writing 's' that looks nothing like an 's' just to make it flow, and 'n's with 2 humps and 'm's with 3 and that weird way you're supposed to write 'r's, none of that makes sense, it's just artificially imposed.

(* well a normal 'a', not like the ones in this font)

and then capitals make even less sense since they're not meant to be connected anyway IIRC, so they are even more artificial.
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Glob posted...
A good teacher with proper qualifications, knowledge, skills and experience is going to be better than an amateur but, as I understand it, the US school system has many teachers who dont fit that description.

Your university set up is also very different, in that it makes people do basic classes again. In many countries, you only study the thing you actually went to university to study, or perhaps adjacent subjects. I did not have to redo basic maths or literacy getting any of my degrees.
I'm assuming you're European.. and trust me... I very much envy the quality of education that exists in much of Europe compared to the US. If I could reasonably get the fuck out I would
OhhhJa posted...
I'm assuming you're European.. and trust me... I very much envy the quality of education that exists in much of Europe compared to the US. If I could reasonably get the fuck out I would

I am European, yes, but I live in Asia.
TwigsthePnoDude posted...
Cursive should be the default way to write. Writing in print looks ridiculous.

It's funny you say that when nearly all the text we see on the Internet is basic print, when they could easily design it to be cursive if they wanted.
Getting too damn old for this crap!
After Elementary I've never seen cursive writing outside of Bank signatures. I wish I could have used it for making artistic but of course the teachers neglected to guide me through it. Now I'm indifferent about it. If it was Japanese where we had to write to memorize words maybe, but we also use Voice To Speech and Keyboards to simply English.
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You should learn how to write your name in cursive, since that's literally all I've used cursive for since graduating high school.

Otherwise, no. Every other letter in the alphabet not in your name is useless to you.
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Cursive writing should be taught in the same sense that Roman numerals are taught: as trivia, so you know to recognize and decode it, but not at all for practical use.
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OtakuD50 posted...
Cursive writing should be taught in the same sense that Roman numerals are taught: as trivia, so you know to recognize and decode it, but not at all for practical use.

I think spending a bit of time teaching it is fine kids already spend a large portion of their life just completing kindergarten to 12th grade. Now making it some major focus of education is not really necessary obviously.
Getting too damn old for this crap!
The only time I use it is to sign my name on a document and cursive isn't even required for that.
'Yes'

MICHALECOLE posted...
Who are the ten psychos that voted yes

The folks who still regularly sign the back of paychecks, I guess.
I just want schools to actually teach practical skills. Writing, coherently and legibly, are necessary skills; print, cursive or typed. Calligraphy is an art form a person can decide to pursue at their leisure.
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Roachmeat posted...
'Yes'

The folks who still regularly sign the back of paychecks, I guess.

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Glob posted...
If its a public school and has 25 to a class, doesnt that already put it in a privileged position compared to other public schools?

No idea how, more students per teacher is generally worse.
It's not uncommon to see public schools with less funding with 30-35 students per class. When Doug Ford was pushing his big education cuts, I believe he was targeting an average class size of 38 for Ontario public schools, which was ludicrous. Compared to many schools, 25 to a class is quite good, even if there's plenty of room for improvement.

The funny thing about privilege is that it very often doesn't actually mean the privileged person is in a great position. Just that a significant number of people are in a worse position.
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MaddenDude_ posted...
No idea how, more students per teacher is generally worse.

25 would be smaller than the average in many countries
Cursive is quicker than writing like a child, but cursive capitals is ridiculous.
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^ A major part of cursive is youre supposed to write lines while lifting your pen or pencil as few times as possible. But with cursive capitals, a lot of them dont even connect to the lower case letters. Which is why I dont even use them when writing cursive tbh. Just write nice looking print capital letters when you need to and then write cursive lower case letters most of the time.
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Kyuubi4269 posted...
Cursive is quicker than writing like a child, but cursive capitals is ridiculous.
Using print is now writing like a child
Dropped cursive as soon as my switch to secondary school permitted it 32 years ago, and have not handwritten much of anything for two decades by now. On what schools should do, I have no opinion even in my own country. I have no children, so it doesn't feel like my discussion.
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Absolutely. It helps manual dexterity.
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AElaias posted...
After Elementary I've never seen cursive writing outside of Bank signatures. I wish I could have used it for making artistic but of course the teachers neglected to guide me through it. Now I'm indifferent about it. If it was Japanese where we had to write to memorize words maybe, but we also use Voice To Speech and Keyboards to simply English.
You could try calligraphy if you wanted to learn artistic writing? Bubble letters too. I still know how to write bubble letters.
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At any rate there are still physical documents that hafta be filled out, like at the doctor's office for example and my cursive was always more legible then my terrible print.
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nothing wrong wrong with teaching kids calligraphy. helps them develop diligence. all because it doesn't have a practical use it doesn't mean that kids don't benefit from being taught it.
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At least teach them something for their signatures.

Seeing these kids print their names for a signature is just kinda sad.
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Didn't Doug Ford also bring back cursive? He has to be the most out-of-touch premiere.
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It's okay to teach it as a thing that exists, just don't force kids to write in cursive for like 8 years and then force them not to after that
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