Steven van de Velde gets booed

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He committed a crime, got convicted, did his time and is now seemingly living without reoffending.

So why is everyone complaining about the system working the way it is supposed to work?
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Nichtcrawler-X posted...
He committed a crime, got convicted, did his time and is now seemingly living without reoffending.

So why is everyone complaining about the system working the way it is supposed to work?
What a disgusting post. Dude spent 13 months in prison for rape, he did not do enough time.
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Muscles posted...
What a disgusting post. Dude spent 13 months in prison for raping a 12 year old multiple times , he did not do enough time.
Added important details as to why he is a POS that shouldn't be representing a country in the Olympics.
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what he did is indefensible

and also if he happens to be the best shot at a gold, he should still compete.

The guy coulda been on death row, if he's the best shot at gold... you go for gold.
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Lokarin posted...
what he did is indefensible

and also if he happens to be the best shot at a gold, he should still compete.

The guy coulda been on death row, if he's the best shot at gold... you go for gold.
Just no.
rjsilverthorn posted...
Just no.

I know it's a controversial statement; but it's like the murdering mathematician argument (if a mathematician was a mass murderer, is any proof he solves automatically incomplete?)
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Nichtcrawler-X posted...
He committed a crime, got convicted, did his time and is now seemingly living without reoffending.

So why is everyone complaining about the system working the way it is supposed to work?

This may come as a shock to you, but most people don't like people that rape 12-year-olds.
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Apparently he was originally sentenced to four years in the UK, but when he was transferred back to the Netherlands they adjusted his sentence and changed the charge from "rape of a child under the age of 13" to something that references "ontucht" which is effectively sexual immorality, fornication, sexual abuse or lack of discipline.

rjsilverthorn posted...
Apparently he was originally sentenced to four years in the UK, but when he was transferred back to the Netherlands they adjusted his sentence and changed the charge from "rape of a child under the age of 13" to something that references "ontucht" which is effectively sexual immorality, fornication, sexual abuse or lack of discipline.

As one does, naturally. We wouldn't want to hurt his feelings.
Reminds me of the memes about Brock Turner the Rapist, where he was called "a rapist that can swim".

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LordFuzzi posted...
As one does, naturally. We wouldn't want to hurt his feelings.
Apparently not in the Netherlands at least, where apparently having sex with a minor does not automatically imply coercion like it does in most civilized countries.

DiScOrDtHeLuNaTiC posted...
Reminds me of the memes about Brock Turner the Rapist, where he was called "a rapist that can swim".
Just not for Team USA.

"Turner had aspirations to swim for the U.S. National Team in the 2016 Olympics, but USA Swimming stated on June 6 that he would not be eligible for membership if he sought to reapply.[60][61] On June 10, USA Swimming reiterated that it had banned Turner for life under their zero-tolerance policy for sexual misconduct. This decision effectively ended Turner's competitive swimming career. Sanctioned meets in the United States, including the Olympic trials, are open only to members of USA Swimming."
rjsilverthorn posted...
Just not for Team USA.

"Turner had aspirations to swim for the U.S. National Team in the 2016 Olympics, but USA Swimming stated on June 6 that he would not be eligible for membership if he sought to reapply.[60][61] On June 10, USA Swimming reiterated that it had banned Turner for life under their zero-tolerance policy for sexual misconduct. This decision effectively ended Turner's competitive swimming career. Sanctioned meets in the United States, including the Olympic trials, are open only to members of USA Swimming."

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Nichtcrawler-X posted...
He committed a crime, got convicted, did his time and is now seemingly living without reoffending.

So why is everyone complaining about the system working the way it is supposed to work?

Yike. Big yike.

What you meant to say hasnt been caught again yet. Pedos dont change. She was a 12 year old girl. That isnt just underage. That is underdeveloped. That wasnt a mistake. That was intentional and its only a matter of time until hes caught with a hard drive full of videos or worse.
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Melody_JR posted...
That isnt just underage. That is underdeveloped.

Yes, that is the meaning of the word.

Melody_JR posted...
That was intentional and its only a matter of time until hes caught with a hard drive full of videos or worse.

If there was no chance of rehabilitation, then the punishment would be life in prison.
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Nichtcrawler-X posted...
He committed a crime, got convicted, did his time and is now seemingly living without reoffending.

So why is everyone complaining about the system working the way it is supposed to work?

Because the system isn't supposed to give absurdly lenient sentences for stuff like that. The original punishment was supposed to be 4 years, but when he went back to his country they knocked it down to 13 months . This wasn't a tiny AOC violation where the girl was a year or two younger than a consenting age, she was twelve . And he knew she was twelve and continued anyway.

If the system worked the way it was supposed to, he'd have been in jail for 4 years he was sentenced (or until he was released upon meeting other conditions, which might've been a bit less than that). However, he used his celebrity status and foreign citizenship to weasel out of the system working.

Regardless, the question of whether or not he's reformed seems doubtful. I hope he wouldn't reoffend, but he's in the perfect place to reoffend and already knows he can get the charges knocked down to almost nothing, so there's not the risk for him.
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Nichtcrawler-X posted...
He committed a crime, got convicted, did his time and is now seemingly living without reoffending.
Do you honestly think he did enough time for the crime he committed?
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Sarcasthma posted...
Do you honestly think he did enough time for the crime he committed?
My biggest issue is that he has largely shown little to no remorse for what he did. In an interview he referred to it as a mistake, like he somehow accidentally traveled to another country to have sex with a girl he knew was a minor. Most of his recent comments he just seems annoyed that people bring it up like "Get over it already."
rjsilverthorn posted...
a mistake
A mistake that he got caught, more like
What would Bligh do?
I'll concede that there's a legitimate case to be made for a shorter sentence in cases where there's adequate reason to believe the culprit has been successfully rehabilitated, but I don't think that's the case here. Dude's pretty blatantly unremorseful about it and there's a very, very high likelihood that he was given a more lenient sentence so the Netherlands could send a more talented player to the Olympics. I don't doubt that he hasn't reoffended yet, given the close scrutiny he's facing and the fact that his release most likely carried (at least unofficially) the expectation that he make the country look good, but I'm quite deeply concerned about what will happen once he's out of the public eye, now that he's got experience and knows what not to do in the future to avoid getting caught.

And regardless of rehabilitation, it's just a bad look to send somebody who raped a 12-year-old to represent the country on an international stage. That's not a crime that you can move beyond by painting the perpetrator as a product of his environment and telling a feel-good story about how he chose to rise above that and become a better person. That's a deeply malicious crime that serves no purpose except that it felt good for him.
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adjl posted...
I'll concede that there's a legitimate case to be made for a shorter sentence in cases where there's adequate reason to believe the culprit has been successfully rehabilitated, but I don't think that's the case here. Dude's pretty blatantly unremorseful about it and there's a very, very high likelihood that he was given a more lenient sentence so the Netherlands could send a more talented player to the Olympics. I don't doubt that he hasn't reoffended yet, given the close scrutiny he's facing and the fact that his release most likely carried (at least unofficially) the expectation that he make the country look good, but I'm quite deeply concerned about what will happen once he's out of the public eye, now that he's got experience and knows what not to do in the future to avoid getting caught.

And regardless of rehabilitation, it's just a bad look to send somebody who raped a 12-year-old to represent the country on an international stage. That's not a crime that you can move beyond by painting the perpetrator as a product of his environment and telling a feel-good story about how he chose to rise above that and become a better person. That's a deeply malicious crime that serves no purpose except that it felt good for him.
Honestly I think it was entirely unrelated to the Olympics. He was released back in 2017 and he didn't compete in the 2020 games. The Netherlands has also only ever won one medal in Beach Volleyball and it was a bronze, so it isn't like they are heavily invested in this sport.

From what I can tell they just have very different views regarding sex with a minor as a crime.
He's going to assault more children. He was basically given a green light. Not only will he get a slap on the wrist; he's been empowered to represent his country on the global stage.
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Nichtcrawler-X posted...
He committed a crime, got convicted, did his time and is now seemingly living without reoffending.

So why is everyone complaining about the system working the way it is supposed to work?
Holy shit, I think this is the worst take I've ever seen on this website.
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I hope someone makes a compilation video.
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rjsilverthorn posted...
Honestly I think it was entirely unrelated to the Olympics. He was released back in 2017 and he didn't compete in the 2020 games. The Netherlands has also only ever won one medal in Beach Volleyball and it was a bronze, so it isn't like they are heavily invested in this sport.

From what I can tell they just have very different views regarding sex with a minor as a crime.

He was on track to be in the Olympics when he was convicted (the judge made a point of shooting down his Olympic aspirations with the sentence), and the comments from various officials have amounted to "yes, we're defending a child rapist because he qualified to compete in the Olympics." It may not just have been about the Olympics and part of it likely is the lack of statutory rape laws in the Netherlands, but the prevailing attitude here is definitely "we'd rather send a talented athlete to the Olympics than make sure society is protected from somebody who repeatedly raped a 12-year-old that he got drunk."
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Sarcasthma posted...
Do you honestly think he did enough time for the crime he committed?
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Oh nice, I didn't realize that shithead got eliminated a few days ago.
Good riddance!
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I do not have the legal background required to determine sentence lengths. I have trust in the system to work most of the time and that when it did not, the other systems in place can correct for that.
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Nichtcrawler-X posted...
I do not have the legal background required to determine sentence lengths. I have trust in the system to work most of the time and that when it did not, the other systems in place can correct for that.
You're a fool. This guy was not let out because he changed. He was let out because his country wanted him to compete. You wanna see what rapists are like after this amount of time in prison?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGWdGXtedco&pp=ygUccmFwaXN0IHBhcm9sZSBoZWFyaW5nIHZpY3RpbQ%3D%3D
Now imagine the victim was TWELVE. TWELVE.

You trust the system because it's never fucked you. The rest of us know better. Tens of thousands of rape kits left unprocessed or just outright destroyed. Victims treated like the real perpetrators. Being forced to go to parole hearings to see the perpetrator over and over and over. And then he gets out and guess what happens? Just guess? You already know.
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Nichtcrawler-X posted...
I do not have the legal background required to determine sentence lengths. I have trust in the system to work most of the time and that when it did not, the other systems in place can correct for that.
He didn't even serve the time he was sentenced for. He was sent back to his home country and they let him out even earlier than his lax sentence so he could go to the Olympics.
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GanonsSpirit posted...
He didn't even serve the time he was sentenced for. He was sent back to his home country and they let him out even earlier than his lax sentence so he could go to the Olympics.
I would point out, he was let out 2017 and he wasn't in the 2020 Olympics. As far as I can tell his release is just due to the incredible difference in Netherlands law regarding sex with minors. His UK sentence was probably because he accepted a plea deal. Deals tend to be preferable to trials when minors are involved, especially in cases like this one where the girl apparently felt guilty that he was getting in trouble.

I can kind of accept the UK sentence, but the Netherlands dropping it down to 13 months (12 of which had already been served in the UK) is just absurd.

Edit: Apparently until July 2024 Dutch law only recognized rape if force was involved.
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