Bardock wished for Goku to live into adulthood with the Dragon Balls.

And?

is that why GT turns him into a kid and why daima looks like the same will happen?

Nothing kills Goku as long as he's a kid famalam

And?

is the bardock movie where he becomes a super sayian considered canon?

He was arguably not even canon until Super

nope

I actually forgot about that

Forget what I said

Also why the fuck would Frieza even remember this dude

@uwnim And so Bulma isn't needed to start Goku's adventure.

I actually forgot about that

Forget what I said

Also why the fuck would Frieza even remember this dude

The hell is a Daima?

Not seeing the connection there. Pilaf taking over the world isnt fatal to Goku.

You said that Pilaf or the RRA would kill Goku if they took his ball and he went after them. Bardock's wish protects Goku when he's a child fammy fam

The Bardock Special is canon. The special where Bardock goes Super Saiyan against Chilled is not.

RRA totally would have killed him.

So this clearly results in

If pre-Roshi Goku fought the RRA, hed die.

If that doesnt happen, then either Pilaf steals the ball and Goku remains at the mountain or Pilaf recruits Goku. You think the 2nd happens, I think the first would.

I actually forgot about that

Forget what I said

Also why the fuck would Frieza even remember this dude

@uwnim And so Bulma isn't needed to start Goku's adventure.

It's funny because in the Path to Power movie, Goku fights the RRA without any training from Roshi and guess what? He beats them lol

If anything, Bardock's wish led directly to kid Goku meeting Bulma, since the wish was for him to thrive not just survive

and without her he'd just be a monkey man in the woods.

And that movie was never canon.

Canon is irrelevant. As the film shows, the story could have easily been written so that Goku could fight the Red Ribbon army without any training from Roshi and not be killed. So, it's not necessary for him to train with Roshi first at all.

And they could make a story that starts with Frieza landing next to his house and have him be defeated by kid Goku, which means it is not necessary for Goku to train at all.

if it's all arbitrary and decided at the author's whim than you really need to stop pretending like Bulma wasn't central to the plot since the author's whim specifically made her a core part of the story and Goku's journey.

What's this about Father of Goku no longer being canon? And what is this Dragon Ball Minus? What all was retconned?

He was never un-canon, just what happened was un-canon.

Up until the Tenkaichi Budkai began, the series hadnt been all that popular. Thats what Torishima- san had told me. Your protagonist is rather plain. Thats why its not popular., he said. Personally, since I was doing a fighting story for this series, I had intentionally made the protagonists clothing excessively plain. So this annoyed me, but then I figured it out. Well, lets increase its popularity I thought. When I had designed Gokus character, the words that best represented him were I want to become strong. So I thought Id bring that to the front. Even during Dr. Slump, the tournament-like events such as the Penguin Village Gran Prix or the Mini-Event had been amazingly popular. So Id simply make the story into a tournament format. From there the Tenkaichi Budkai was born. I temporarily withdrew the other characters besides Goku, brought back Kame-Sennin, and added Kuririn as a new character. From there it got popular before I knew it.

Torishima: At first, Dragon Ball wasn't that popular.
Matsuyama: Eh? It wasn't? I read Dragon Ball in Jump at that time, you know. But I thought it was always popular?
T: No, it was different back then. I thought it was good at the beginning of the series, but then it became less popular, and I thought it was bad.
M: When was that?
T: Around the end of the interaction with the Pilaf Team.
M: Eh?! After, "Gimme' the panties off a hot babe!!"?
T: Yes, once Shenron was summoned, and their wish was fulfilled, there was a break, story-wise. I wondered if the reader would think, 'Oh, so this story process will just repeat itself.
M: That'd be useless?
T: It would be useless if you couldn't feel the harmony and excitement of the pacing, because in the manga, the number of characters had increased a lot.
M: Ah, right, at that time the number of characters had increased a fair bit, such as Bulma, Yamcha, Puar, Oolong, Kame-sennin, Chichi, the Ox King, and Pilaf.
T: Right, so I had Gok train at Kame-sennin's to keep the story simple. Together with Krillin. Then, the Tenkaichi Budkai was prepared as a place to test the results of that training. It's been extremely popular ever since.
M: That's right! Eh, but it's surprising that there was something like a lull in Dragon Ball. Is that part of 'story arrangement?'
T: You don't have to analyze it.
M: Even so, how did you come up with the ideas behind organizing the story?
T: I studied Fist of the North Star.
M: Oh! Fist of the North Star?! That's surprising.
T: It was because the popularity of Dragon Ball had declined, so I had no choice but to study it. The most overwhelmingly popular series at the time was Fist of the North Star.
M: That's true, isn't it?
T: So I researched it and read up to 3 volumes of Fist of the North Star.
M: What? To volume 3? Only up to that point?!
T: You only need to read that much of Fist of the North Star to understand it. I didn't care for it that much.
M: Oh?! How can you say that?!
T: Nah, it's alright because it's just my personal preference. I don't like it. But Fist of the North Star was so popular at the time, so I read it carefully and studied it, and that's how the future of Dragon Ball evolved. I decided the policies.
M: You mean in terms of story arrangement?
T: Yes, I made the story simple by reducing the amount of characters.
M: So that's it.

I more so meant the special itself, not Bardock.

The author's whim didn't make her a core part of the story. The only thing she did was encounter Goku at the start, which someone else could have done (and was going to do sooner or later, as we see with Pilaf), and then she's just used as the butt of countless perverted, misogynist gags for the rest of her time in the series. Since she's only relevant for a very small part of the story at best, you can write her out entirely and nothing important would change.

You can't be important to a plot if the plot itself is unimportant lol. It's nothing more than an excuse to show fighting; if you're not fighting, then you're worthless in the series because you aren't what brings the money in.

Someone else could have but Toriyama had Bulma be that person due to author's whims.

Maybe you could write her out but, again, author's whims didn't

did important stuff.

Stop denying the author's whims.

Stop pretending whims matter,

Exactly.

You people pretend there's any rhyme or reason to the plot when it's all arbitrary and decided at the author's whim lol. The only thing that matters is showing flashy fights because that's what brings the money in. As long as there's fighting, it doesn't matter what the plot is about.

You're the one pretending the plot matters, not me lol.

If plot doesn't matter than there's no reason to try and trivialize Bulma's involvement.

You're the one constantly trying to re-write the narrative in all these topics.

He was arguably not even canon until Super